This war has been lost

Domain Name

Judge Gerard E. Lynch of the Southern District of New York decided on the passage of the ownership of the Yesmoke.com domain to Philip Morris in a ruling issued on August 19th, 2004. But Yesmoke continued to sell to its customers all over the world, China included, using its Swiss domain Yesmoke.ch. Philip Morris, in fact, could not make any move against the Yesmoke.ch site, as this would require the ruling of a Swiss judge.

The “Virtual victory” of Big Tobacco

So Philip Morris won only a virtual victory and Yesmoke didn’t have too fire its 90 workers. Otherwise, the ruling of the American judge would have led to the shutdown of the Swiss company and the consequent loss of employment of all its workers. It would have been a closure by “Telematic” means, depriving the store of its shop window. Moreover, a judge in the country where the store is located would have had no say in the matter.

Yesmoke evidently calculated that the ‘virtual’ nature of its business placed it safely beyond the reach of conventional enforcement measures available to a U.S. federal court. Philip Morris has now identified an efficacious means to enforce the Judgment, a means inherent in the very same technology by which Yesmoke has to date been able to violate with impunity.

Commented his decision Judge Gerard E. Lynch

We are pleased Judge Lynch has ordered the transfer of Yesmoke’s domain names and continued protection of our trademark rights.

Says senior vice president of compliance and brand integrity Philip Morris USA, Jack Holleran

Chronology

  • September 15, 2001: Philip Morris sues Yesmoke for Copyright Infringement and Unfair Competition;
  • January 29, 2003: sentence in favor of Philip Morris, Yesmoke continues to sell;
  • August 20, 2004: Philip Morris takes over the Yesmoke.com domain.

Yesmoke’s Comment

The “Virtual Victory” of Big Tobacco: after this sentence, the destiny of on-line commerce is at stake.

The “Marlboro Man” Jack Holleran

The “Marlboro Man” Jack Holleran

According to a regiment of lawyers, with law books in their hands, a company that sells all over the world should be deprived of its Internet address, should fire all of its workers and close shop, only because the Marlboro cigarettes in its shop window are not those produced for US smokers.

We cannot help but note that it is grotesque that Philip Morris, besides promoting the abolition of Internet commerce, without even realizing it, is also claiming the right to use its customers as “Puppets” (or guinea pigs). It decides, on the basis of top-secret criteria, the greater or lesser dose of chemical cancer-inducing agents to serve to its smoker customers, adapting the brand to each individual country.

Following the precedent of the sentence in favor of Philip Morris, that led to the shutdown by telematic means of the online shop taking over the its Internet domain, any manufacturer could put his own market strategies before the lowering of commercial barriers provided by Internet.

On-line shops, like Amazon.com and Ebay.com, quoted on the stock market and worth billions of dollars, based on these prospects of the Net, would find their possibilities of growth undermined, and perhaps even their survival. The country that gave birth to that great instrument of freedom that is Internet, now could potentially abolish it.

Philip Morris has shown that it is a ruthless merchant, treading on the rights of American citizens, refusing all requests for transparency coming from consumers and authorities.

Customers’ Opinion

It was August 20th 2004, the tobacco giant took over Yesmoke’s domain and showed it off as a trophy to Yesmoke’s 550 thousand customers; when they tried to connect up to www.Yesmoke.com to buy their cigarettes, they were shocked to find the website of Philip Morris USA.

It was the first time that a website domain had ever changed hands by telecommunications means, following the decision of an American judge. It could have led to the closure of a Swiss company (and the loss of work of 90 employees). So, the Yesmoke shop had to move over to the Yesmoke.ch domain (ch means it’s a Swiss site), where it continued selling just as it had done before.

Here are some solidarity messages that Yesmoke received on the days immediately following August 20th 2004, the day Philip Morris won its suit against Yesmoke:

Messages from our Customers

Dear Yesmoke, Philip Morris can kiss my ass.

I am still missing one carton and btw: thumbs for your fight against Philip Morris

Count On my vote, If there ever is one.

Go on Yesmoke! Thumbs up to you and your choice to stand up to Philip Morris and for standing up for us!

I wanted to thank you all for fighting a big corporation such as PM. The US government allows them to use and abuse the US citizens in any way they want as long as the government gets their cut in the form of taxes. I have never like any PM brand anyway, so it won’t be hard to boycott. I will be passing this info on to all of my friends and coworkers so they can see the truth behind their beloved Marlboros. Hopefully your lawsuit will pave the way for future battles and eventually tear down the evil empire of PM. Thanks again and good luck!

PM sucks! I will support you now more than ever! thanks for not giving up to them

Hello Yesmoke: I was a big customer of yours. I want you to post this email. United states government, & Monopolies can kiss my motherfuckin ass. I support Yesmoke, and would never purchase from any other, until the tore you up. I still love you & yours in a very special way.

B.

Congratulations on your article! Sorry about your headaches with PM,hope you ‘ll get over them, they sucks.

Hi there! Keep up the great work offering your products to the masses, at a great price!After all, if the respective governments didn’t rip everyone off by adding such high taxes to cigarettes—just to line their own pockets—then there would be no need for sites like yours in the first place.I wish you all the best in your battle against those greedy 2-faced bastards at PM!I’m not a smoker myself, but in principle, I still wish you every success…

It’s really quite simple. The company passed on the bill for their misdeeds to smokers. The public on the whole has no clue. They think that P.M. has been financially punished, not realizing the government and P.M. gave the “supposed” victims i.e. smokers, the bill. P.M. has also vastly increased their profits under the guise of being punished. Any company that poses a financial threat to P.M. is squashed. In the U.S., the government does the squashing. Pay the money or be put out of business. This type of stragedy has been used in business in the U.S. for years. Primarily by families named Gambino. You’ve got your hands full, but keep up the good fight. One day we all hope this extortion to companies as yourself and smokers gets exposed for what it is. Illegal and corrupt.

YOU GO! pm sucks and from now on i will boycott all their brands! long live the freedom of US smokers.

Hello, CONGRATS on your standing up for the rights of smokers!

I read the article and cannot believe how GREED can cause some co.s to do things for money.I think you have a great site and will continue to be a customer for as long as it is possible.

Dear YESMOKE, I COMMEND YOU FOR STANDING UP TO GOLIATH! YOU HAVE PICKED A FIGHT WITH A VERY “FILTHY DIRTY AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS” OPPONENT, THEY HAVE IN THE PAST AND DO SO CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE BLATANT CONTEMPT FOR ANYONE STANDING IN THEIR WAY!!! BE PREPARED FOR EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE YET TO IMAGINE AS THEY WILL COMMIT WHAT EVER TO BREAK YOUR BACKS! I WOULD IMMEDIATELY SECURE ALL THE FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES OF THE TOP ESCHELON; BE PREPARING ALL WHO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY: TANGIBLE AND NONTANGIBLE FOR EVERY EXTREME! DO NOT TAKE YOUR ADVERSARY LIGHTLY FOR ONE MILLISECOND, COVER EVERY: ASSET, LIABILITY, INCREASE YOUR INSURANCES AND BE IN THE MINDSET OF COVERT, OVERT AND TERRORISTIC WAR! I ASK YOU TO BRING IN A BONAFIDE EXPERT ON TERRORISM AND HAVE A WHITE GLOVE EXAMINATION OF EVERYTHING, “IMMEDIATELY “!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT ABOVE ANYTHING, WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING “WHAT’S THEIRS” AND WILL RECEIVE THE BACKING FROM THOSE WHOM LOSE TAX REVENUES!!! I CAN’T EXPRESS THE SERIOUSNESS AND GRAVITY OF THIS ENTIRE THREAT BY GOING AGAINST P.M., I WISH ALL OF YOU OUR LORD’S BLESSINGS, MAY “HE”CONTINUE TO CARRY ALL OF YOU.

PM can kiss my ass, I will continue to purchase from you at Yesmoke as long as my FREEDOM to do so holds out!

That company’s action is an outrage. My name, address, etc., is none of its business. They just want to get the taxing authorities to get us in trouble. I have noticed less congestion since smoking your cigarettes. Also, they give us NO respect and charge exorbitant prices, and then try to stop us from getting relief. Who can I call? Who can I write? I am furious about this, and am willing to protest.

Hi, first of al, i’m glad to see that you guys beat PM in that law suit. You guys are doing excellent work my family and i enjoy your pricing and convenience. however you don’t offer my favorite brand of cigarettes. i was wondering if it would be possible for you to begin carrying Camel Wide-gauge Cigarettes. they’re wildly popular here in america. please get back to me and let me know if this is possible. Your loyal custom.

I don’t smoke PM products, I’m a camel smoker, however, PM’s court ruling affects me as well. Frankly, I haven’t looked at the opinion so i won’t comment on that, it is the yessmoke brand that strikes me as the most important part of this situation. As an American smoker i have little control or information as to whats in my cigarettes, and the tobacco industry has fought successfully for years to keep their information secret. Kudos to Yessmoke for taking a stand and telling me exactly what i\’m smoking…i look forward to ordering a carton when they become available.

Hi, I just wanted to say that I am behind you with your PM battle 100%… I have been a customer of yours for a few months (wish I found you sooner:) I was referred to Yesmoke by my sister and since then I have gotten my parents, my aunt/uncle, ex-husb and 2 co-workers to join Yesmoke.. I think you guys offer a GREAT service at a great price and are very professional… I just want you to know I will continue to get everyone I can to buy there cigs through you.. As far as I am concerned, the more customers you are able to take from PM when your Yesmoke brand is available the better… I hope you will keep your customers informed of anything we can do to help with your fight with PM…

Keep up the good work and thanks for being willing to take on PM… Most companies would run scared…

Diane (kalijiah)

Gentlemen: Good luck on your future litigation and congratulations on maintaining Yesmoke.CH. However, please do not refer to Judge Lynch’s RULING as a SENTENCE. A sentence is only for criminal not civil actions. Simply refer to them as RULINGS. Au Revoir.

J.O. NYC USA

I don’t smoke PM products, I’m a camel smoker, however, PM’s court ruling affects me as well. Frankly, I haven’t looked at the opinion so i won’t comment on that, it is the yessmoke brand that strikes me as the most important part of this situation. As an American smoker i have little control or information as to whats in my cigarettes, and the tobacco industry has fought successfully for years to keep their information secret. Kudos to Yessmoke for taking a stand and telling me exactly what i’m smoking…i look forward to ordering a carton when they become available.

Not to be harsh, but SCREW Philip Morris. Hypocritical bastards that they are. I’ll ALWAYS buy my smokes from you fine folks. The government gets enough of my money…nearly 35% of every dollar I earn. I’ll be damned if I’ll pay 30.00 a carton so the government can get $18.00 Now that the PM has won this round, does this mean they will be able to see that I have placed an order with Yesmoke and tax me for the cigarettes I order?

Thankyou for the service you have given in the past and hopefully the future.

Joh

I think it is awesome the way you guys stand up to pm through you guys only I will continue to buy marlboro only until you start production only because I want to piss off Phillip morris for what they have done thanks for your fight.

Phil C

Thanks to you, I haven’t been gouged by Philip Morris here in the U.S. !! I will continue to purchase you products no matter what PM tries to do. I would suggest that in your “check out” that you add a voluntary contribution box, so that WE, your customers, can help in your continuing legal battle with the American tobacco corp’s. I for one, would be happy to contribute with each order I send in.

I will still come out paying less to you, than to purchase cigarettes here. I think ALL of your customers will feel as I do. FIGHT ON… WE NEED YOU !! Sincerely.

Philip

Its really beyond my ability to judge, in this instance, who is the good guy and who is bad… i wish instead to consider the significance of pm grabbing your domain name outta your hands… was the title “Yesmoke.com” infringing on an American copyright??? NOO! Do you guys even have employees or servers in the States?? What the hell jurisdiction does this AMERICAN court have over something in SWITZERLAND?????? What if you sent a catalogue via the mail to the states? Could pm restrict its distribution too? Absurd! This is why im going to law school next year…
good luck,

Gabe

I just placed another order with Yesmoke. Please tell me I won’t have the same as with my previous one (never arrived, money back after about two months). I want to keep making purchases at Yesmoke, since the street prices are outrageous but I have to actually receive something. I found out about the problems you had, wish you all the best, and looking forward four YOUR brand of cigarettes. I think I could benefit a switch, so please keep me posted.
Best regards,

Andrei

So i read the story…..rec’d your email….when will you be selling my brand again?????? I’m really sorry to hear that our judicial system was able to (and I don’t understand how….) interfere with your business. I guess once again it only proves that money seems to control many parts of our government. Phillip Morris has shown itself to be an underhanded company in the past…so I suppose they prefer to remain that way. Thank god I was able to find your new web site. I look forward to the new product you are putting out. Please email me with the name of the product. I want to try it. Thanks

Vicki

The banner add i have posted on my website, is it correct With the transfer of Yesmoke.com to PM? As I was reading the stories, I was outraged. It is terrible that PM is doing this, just to make a buck. What if you continued to sell the cigarettes UNDER the brand name, but in an UNMARKED Container? Keep me informed. Thanks.

I just wanted to say that as an American customer, I will not be turned away by the court ruling. I have purchased cigarettes many times through your company and will continue to do so. This ruling will however, stop me from buying cigarettes from the phillip morris company forever. I find Phillip Morris’ decision to go to court sad based on the treatment the company has recieved by the american court system thus far. I just wanted you to know that a lot of americans feel the same way that I do. We will not be puppets to a conglomerate that cares little about us as individuals. It’s too bad that so few people in the US know about this site, but I will do my part to spread the word.
I look forward to your new brand.

Jon

My order number is NPAP-0-67BMBP. I tried to edit my order to change my cig brand to the one your company is now making but I couldn\’t find that brand. Does the Yesmoke brand come in a menthol? If it does then please change my order to 3 cartons of your menthol brand as a gesture of my support to you and your fight against Phillip Morris. If not then keep my order as the Salem brand and I will change it on mynext order. Please email As Soon As Possible for I am getting low on my supply and need to get my order placed. Thank You and again good luck and you have my support.

Michael

I would like to think that Philip Morris would be happy their are people still buying the products. No matter from you, or elsewhere. Seems that Philip Morris has gone away. Keep up the great work over there in Switzerland. By the way I do not smoke anything they make anyway. Might give your, “in house” a try. Also it show the world that in the United States we really aren’t that free anyway.

Thank for being responsible, and letting me know your still out there. Just wanted to say i had a very hard time finding your website , kept getting Philip Morris crap, what should i use next time i want to order from you…
thank you pat

Patty

Thank you for your informative article. I will continue to buy cigarettes from your company. However, I will be boycotting any PM cigarettes. Good luck in your fight!

Dear Yesmoke, thank you for standing up to the miserable Giants and Government that let the tobacco industry HIDE the DANGEROUS ingredients in cigarettes for too many years to count. The government didn’t give a darn before, but now that they can wage higher taxes on a “nasty dangerous habit” they pretend they are doing this for our own good. They let you get you hooked, let you die in war, but take away the freedom for smoking. I say booze should be banned as should Twinkies. There are more drunk drivers people killing others and obese people with no insurance having heart attacks and the people pay for it. But the smoker has to leave a building etc. and the Twinkie eater can order another piece of Mom’s homemade apple pie ala mode.

Stand up to these money mongers and the idiots that think they are getting cancer from the second hand smoke from smokers. Ever think of POLUTION in the air from cars, factories etc? No, those huge puffs of smoke are the beasts. If you need help, notify me. I will be more than willing to fight the establishment with you! The Vikings Are Ready For Landing! And for my added pleasure “GOD Bless”.

Hi, I’m a USA customer very grateful for the reasonable pricing you put on your cigarettes. I read your web page about the difficulty your having with Philip Morris and hope for both your and my sake it doesn’t affect your supply of PM products. However, if PM succeeds in removing you from the web, is there any other way I can order your product? I would ask you to keep us informed thru email as to what is happening. Thanks.

It is a breath of fresh air to have a company stand up for their rights against a “bully” corporation. It is no wonder that many people outside of the U.S. hate Americans. It is not the Americans that they should hate but just the greedy corporations of America. I do hope that you will be able to continue your fight until you win. In the meantime I will continue to support you and your efforts. If there is anything that your customers can do to help please post it on your website. Thank you and Good Luck.

Is there any thing we (the customers) can do to help in the battle with PM? Besides demanding a premium cigarette product and continuing to buy from Yesmoke. And for those smokers who don’t want to do the obvious, quit smoking or change brands, you could also boycott Kraft Foods, in which the parent company of Philip Morris (Altria Group, Inc (formerly Philip Morris Companies, Inc.)) owns 84.2% of. You can still drink the Miller family of beers though (although why you would want to is another whole rant in itself), since Miller Brewing Company was sold/merged with South African Breweries 13 months ago.

I have ordered from you guys for over a year, and I wish you the best of luck in persisting against Philip Morris. I, for one, prefer the European-made Camels, as they taste cleaner and burn longer than the American product, and I am grateful that your company sells them at such a low price. As you well know, American taxes has brought the price of cigarettes on the East Coast to between $5 and $8 a pack! In addition to offering better cigarettes cheaper, your customer service has always been top notch. I always receive packages ordered from you in a reasonable amount of time, and you’ve always been available to answer any questions or concerns. It’s heartening to see a company that basis its success on *quality* as opposed to *bullying.* But, as I’m sure you also know, that is the current tide in American business as well as politics. Best of luck in standing up to them.

Hi Yesmoke! I’m glad your sticking to your guns with this war against PM. Did anyone bother telling PM if they didn’t charge an arm & a leg for their cigarettes in America, their FORMER customers wouldn’t have turned to Yesmoke to buy cigarettes? Its their own fault, I mean really, how much does it cost to make a pack of cigarettes? Yet they sell them in America for up to $4.00 a pack!! Highway robbery, PM brought this problem on theirselves, let them deal with their losses on their own. And EVERYTIME something goes wrong in America, they increase tax’s on cigarettes to compensate for whatever money loss it was, why doesn’t the country tax something EVERYONE uses instead of making the smokers suffer! I’ll shop at Yesomke til the very end!! Which hopefully the end wont come!! Hows THAT for the opinion poll???

Philip Morris has failed to understand that their lack of care for US CLIENT’S health will make it so that now that we begin to be informed US clients will simply have to buy from Yesmoke.

Just wanted to give you a BRAVO! for your fight with PM. seems to me they should be happy with you for selling their product. see what greed can do. Well good luck if I can help in any way I am at your service.

Im behind you all the way on this; I could care less about PM roducts. I’ve tried many different brands of cigarettes from your site and liked them all. PM are the only one that will really be affected if they win this, I don’t think you will have to worry about losing business. Your customers will be loyal to you. I will tell my friends of this absurdity and ask them to support the boycot of PM. Good Luck and Victory to you.

Good Luck in your fight with PM.I sincerely hope that you will come out of this brighter and stronger than ever. PM has been doing decietful and shady things for as far back as I can remember. I commend you on standing your ground. Think for yourself, question authority.

I live in the US. Specifically, Skokie, IL (a Chicago suburb). They just passed a law of no smoking in Skokie. A measly pack of cigarettes, which i smoke in a day or two span, is a whooping $5! America has been brought to be a country of Freedom, so they say. Not only is our freedom violated with banning of Cigarettes, it’s also violated excessive taxing so I quit smoking..?! I seriously love you guys and gals for all you are doing! Fighting for any smoker who fully realizes it effects their health and still chooses to do it is like fighting for anyone who drinks alcohol and realizes the consequences! To top that off, we’re supposed to stop smoking a cigarette before they tell us what is in it?! Absurd, if you ask me! But then again, no one did! Yet another violation. Here’s another great thing I just SOO LOVE about America. Just as they tax us excessively, which is a major understatement, for our cigarettes to reduce smokers (although we still smoke!) they pull this shame with Liquor and Marijuana too! They take away your car for Pot?! Ok, i’m not sure if you guys or gals are with or against marijuana, but I will openly say I do smoke it. To take away someones car, which has nothing to do with a small amount of it as far as dealing or transporting it (i’m talking a couple of grams or so), that the owner has legally paid for (I mean the car by that) and to reclaim the vehicle as their own, stripping MORE AMERICAN rights. I’m fed up with this government and with our companies that are becoming a menace world-wide. Sorry for ranting, but one other thing. I will CONTINUE to buy my cigarettes from you. I, also, could care a lot less about PM knowing I buy my cigarettes from you. And to think. I don’t even smoke PM Brand cigarettes! You all are the best thing to ever hit the smoking world. I will pass on your website info and great prices to all the smokers I know, like I have for more then a year now. Thanks for everything!

I am outraged after reading about PM bullying Yesmoke! Stand strong against them. All the info they requested from your company is absurd! Hopefully judges in Switzerland have more common sense, intelligence, knowledge of international law and “good judgment” than some of our US ones possess. I am one of many, many happy customers from the US who deeply appreciate your company. Let us know how we can support your efforts. We wish your company continued success… and to be around for a long time.

The article printed, which I read to the fullest is great. You are trying to lower the nitrosamine, which is also better for people that want to smoke, which is great, of which I didn’t realize, because to me they have the same taste.

I just wish I could get your Marlboro Mediums again.

So how long do we have till the almighty, greed machine of Phillip Morris takes over your website? Also, will you be contacting me by email or mail about your new cigarettes so that I can switch from Marlboro to your brand? Please keep me on your mailing list as I will NOT be purchasing from Phillip Morris direct ever. Hopefully I will be able to continue to purchase some type of cigarette from your company. Like the idea of a natural cigarette… kudos!!! Best of luck, beat them at their own game!!!

I live in the US and I have stopped buying cigarettes from Phillip Morris because of the crap they pull over here. I feel you have the right to sell whatever you like to whomever you desire. I am tired of corporations thinking they can regulate the entire world and I would sign any petition or paper to support your rights. P.M. and companies like them feel that trampling everyone else is a way to maintain control since they are losing so much money and control over here. I read the article and had no idea what they were up to. Thank you for publishing it online and I will be looking forward to helping you squash any hope of theirs to put you out of business.

Keep fighting! The bully in the playground is nothing more than that – a big bully, who gets his just dues in the end. Those just dues will be a hard ass-kickin!!

I would like to personally kick each one of the PM exec’s in the ass! The cigarettes I get from you taste so much fresher than the one’s I sometimes have to buy here (because I didn’t get my order in soon enough – I have a tendency to procrastinate), and I will continue to buy from you as long as I can, until I can finally manage to quit. I love my country, but there are people and industries here that just make me want to jump up and down, scream, and yank my hair out. Good luck…

Fight the Big-Business bastards! I don’t think there is anyway you could lose this fight. As a U.S. citizen I don’t feel our courts would ever side with Philip-Morris in this instance. Keep up the good work and the good job you do.

As a USA resident I find it very disturbing what Phillip Mooris is doing. I would like to know what if anything I can do to help. I have started by never buying a marlboro or Phillip Mooris product again. Thank you.

If Phillip Morris is successful in this insane suit, will it affect the sale of all cigarettes or just the Phillip Morris brands. Also, what can we as customers do to help in this fight. I am already planning an email to the company protesting their actions….thank you.

Dear Sirs, Is there any way that I can help you in your U.S. court appearance?? Like for instance, I can write to my local congressman or local representive. I feel it is your right to your own business. I think they don’t like the compitition. The U.S. tobaco companies spend alot of money to lobby U.S. law makers. Please contact me if I can be of any help.

Keep up the good fight against PM!!! damn lawyers!

Can you get Greek cigarettes (and ship to me in USA) – specifically Papastratos #1 non-filter? Thank You.

I hope you win this battle! I’m with you all the way on this one. I wish I knew what those ding bats were thinking at PM. I would not doubt that there are some U.S Government people behind this all with the loss in taxes locally but that is too bad as far as I’m concerned. Free Trade is what it is all about. If you end up having to start another domain name make sure and email me with your new address. Thanks for making cigarettes affordable to those that chose to smoke in their homes or outside away from others that choose not to smoke! I think that is what they call FREEDOM here in the U.S., some people seem to forget what that word FREEDOM means sometimes??? Best wishes!

I just can’t believe what’s going on. The government just wants MORE money in taxes, etc. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that we don’t lose you….and what will we do if that happens? 550,000 of us!

I have been a customer for a while now and I’m curious why you now ask what state I live in before I order? I read the message about the court case and I agree – the only clear cut thing is that PM is a greedy company and I wish you the best of luck that you can still provide this service! Thank you.

I just wanted to let you know that I will do anything and everything in my power to help support your website and your wonderful service that you and only you provide for everyone. If there is anything I or any of us yessmoke lovers can do to help please let me know. I would be literally sad and angry if your website disappeared.

As an American Smoker of Phillip Morris Products, ( I smoke Marlboro Lights ), I am really upset about this lawsuit against Yesmoke.com. I like the freedom of purchasing my cigarettes from you guys at Yesmoke.com, and I especially like the fact that they contain much lower amounts of Nitrosamine, a known cancer causing agent. If Phillip Morris succeeds in convincing the greedy, crooked politicians of this country to shut you down, I first will swap to a non-Phillip Morris brand, as I will not support PM in any way, shape, or form if they shut you down. Next, I would follow you anywhere, if you where able to open up shop again elsewhere. And most importantly, I belive that all US Yesmoke.com smokers should band together and file a Class Action Suit against PM for forcing higher amounts of Nitrosamine on us. I believe that we should have the choice, the option of which PM Cigarettes we smoke, where we are purchasing them from, and be informed of the chemicals contained within their products, so that we, as consumers, can make an educated decision, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CHOICE, of what we are purchasing to smoke. This should be our right to make the decision in any product that we consume, whether it be food, drink or smoke. It all boils down to the fact that it’s our bodies, we should be allowed to have the final say in what we ingest, or in this case, inhale. I hope this does not pass. I would miss buying my cigarettes from you. And I like the fact that they are not as bad as the ones we buy in the USA. I’ll check back in a few days to see what happens. We love your sight and I send a lot of my friends who smoke to your web site.

I echo the other comments you list on your website. Good for you! So PM got your domain. Whoop-dee-doo. They didn’t get your business and maybe this whole thing will help show the world just how “free” and “governed by the people” the United States ISN’T. It’s heartening to know that there are SOME folks out there REFUSING to be controlled by American multi-national corporations. KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR COUNTRY AT ANY COST. If you MUST let them in, make sure that YOURsociety’s rules keep them in check or they’ll be running YOUR lives too.

Now nice the very state {new york} bands smoking, is where Philip Morris is located. they need another Bloomberg to tell them what they can do.i thought we lived in the usa ,not russia.it looks like Russians have more freedom than the usa citicens.in the usa they decide we need money for themselves, well wèll just add more taxes to the smokers{big prophets}, but yet wère not aloud to smoke ,only where they choose.it’s time all smokers stand up&fight. you legislators think if you win that we can’t buy&smoke at our choice,why’s gonna pay you’re high cost of living you’re used to now. not us smokers. oh well you’ll find someone else to start on make them pay so you can live higher yet.i don’t know of any market that is bigger than tobacco, start looking ,cause you’re gonna need it if ya when. greediness never pays off.

Yesmoke.ch still has THIS customer! I’m waiting with shortened breath for your new product that I’m sure will be all over the USA in short order. I believe PM won’t give up when the YESMOKE brand comes out. Keep up the good work and fine customer service and Yesmoke and it’s employees will be successful. Best of luck!

I love your site and have been a customer for a while now.I say screw PM USA and keep up the good work.

GREETINGS FROM THE LAND OF THE OPPRESSED. I WILL CONTINUE TO DO BUISNESS YOUR COMPANY, NO MATTER WHAT NAME IT IS CALLED. THE PM TAKEOVER IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW BIG BUISNESS IN THIS COUNTRY RULES OVER IT’S CITIZENS WITH AN IRON FIST. KEEP FIGHTING!

I commend you for standing up to Philip Morris. More of us should show the same courage and principles. Just think what we could accomplish if we did. I know this is a hard fight, but I am behind you 100% and will continue supporting Yesmoke. I will never buy another Philip Morris product – no matter what.

That’s terrible. I’m sorry those greedy bastards won their case. After all, I know they’re hurting for money. yeah right.

I’m very sorry about the recent court decision. I can’t apologize on my country’s behalf, but I personally believe the decision to be entirely unfair, but typical of big business here.

I am glad you guys are still around I think its very wrong what they are downing to you in fact I sent a letter with 1577 signatures on it to the Philip Morris company complaining about what they did it may not mean anything to them but hopefully it will.

I want to thank you for fighting Phillip Morris. I cannot believe how much more they want for cigarettes here in the United States. Each state also packs on their own taxes on top of that! If Phillip Morris does succeed in stopping you from selling me your cigarettes I will have to switch to another brand you will be able to sell. I know I will NOT pay the prices they want for them here. Thanks again.

Sorry to hear about your problems with Philip Morris. Obviously it makes no sense that they should be able to interfere with resellers, but things over here have gotten pretty bad. There have been way too many laws passed in recent years that favor large corporations over individuals, which just illustrates how bad things have gotten in regard to our “representatives” no longer representing the people, but representing the money interests. Please don’t blame us, we didn’t even elect George Bush, he just rigged the election and took office. Unfortunately it doesn’t appear that it will improve any time soon.

Dear Yesmoke, That is the most absurd thing i have ever heard. Smokes in the US are so expensive and i sincerely appreciate you standing up to the evil giant corporation. I will continue to purchase my smokes from you and i will spread the word to more of my friends. Be good.

Thank you so much for letting me know. I hate the fact that PM got the site, but I did read where you are releasing your own cig. I am very pleased. My family and I have been with you for a long time and plan on continuing to do so. I have been ill and did not get chance to email you and say I have great respect for you for taking on the money making creeps. Please keep me informed. Thanks again and I am sure you and us will have great success. Take Care and Best wishes.

Keep up the fight~!

Thanks for being there for us ‘sick and tired of it~!’ Americans……………………. You will continue to have my business, never will I fill PM’s pocket …. ever.
A Grateful American ~!

J. Kennedy

We have been ordering from your for a while now. USS PM cigs are DEFINITELY loaded with chemicals that make me feel horrible! I did not realized exactly how horrible they were really making me feel until I ordered Swiss and European Marlboros. I use to have body aches, anxiety and constant congestion that pushed me to infections. I was always going to the doctor because of it. I started smoking your cigarettes and amazingly all of that went away. I dread having to buy US cigs now. I usually order 6 cartons at a time from you and hope I get them in time so i do not have to buy some US cigs to hold me over. I was wondering what your Yesmoke brand of cigs are going to taste like? I would be more than willing to switch over to them if they taste like my usual brand. I am currently smoking Marlboro Lights Swiss. Thanks for your time and keep up the great work! I would like to think that Philip Morris would be happy their are people still buying the products. No matter from you, or elsewhere. Seems that Philip Morris has gone awray. Keep up the great work over there in Switzerland. By the way I do not smoke anything they make anyway. Might give your, “in house,” a try. Also it show the world that in the United States we really aren’t that free anyway. Thank for being responsible, and letting me know your still out there.

I just wanted to say that as an American customer, I will not be turned away by the court ruling. I have purchased cigarettes many times through your company and will continue to do so. This ruling will however, stop me from buying cigarettes from the phillip morris company forever. I find Phillip Morris’ decision to go to court sad based on the treatment the company has recieved by the american court system thus far. I just wanted you to know that a lot of americans feel the same way that I do. We will not be puppets to a conglomerate that cares little about us as individuals. It’s too bad that so few people in the US know about this site, but I will do my part to spread the word. I look forward to your new brand.

I’m really sorry to hear that our judicial system was able to (and I don’t understand how….) interfere with your business. I guess once again it only proves that money seems to control many parts of our government. Phillip Morris has shown itself to be an underhanded company in the past…so I suppose they prefer to remain that way.

I just placed another order with Yesmoke. Please tell me I won’t have the same as with my previous one (never arrived, money back after about two months). I want to keep making purchases at Yesmoke, since the street prices are outrageous but I have to actually receive something. I found out about the problems you had, wish you all the best, and looking forward four YOUR brand of cigarettes. I think I could benefit a switch, so please keep me posted. Best regards.

its really beyond my ability to judge, in this instance, who is the good guy and who is bad… i wish instead to consider the significance of pm grabbing your domain name outta your hands… was the title “Yesmoke.com” infringing on an American copyright??? NOO! Do you guys even have employees or servers in the States?? What the hell jurisdiction does this AMERICAN court have over something in SWITZERLAND?????? What if you sent a catalogue via the mail to the states? Could pm restrict its distribution too? Absurd! This is why im going to la school next year… good luck

i am so glad to here you are going into production of your own cigarette. i, for one, look forward to tasting the new product. i will be waiting patiently for it’s release. an all natural cigarette with the ingredients and expiration date right on the packet! it looks like your covering all of the bases and thumbing your nose at the big american tobacco beast. cheers to you! sincerely yours, vincent pellegrino satisfied american customer -ps- please make sure to let us know when the Yesmokes become available!

I see that when I pull up the Yesmoke.ch domain that you still have the PM products. So if I order PM cigerettes from your domain exactly what will happen? Will PM be able to see that I ordered from your site and have me pay the top dollar for their product here in the US? Just need a little more clarity on the subject… Sorry for the loss of your battle, but I’m glad you stood up to them dam assholes, excuse my english please…

I hate what PM is trying to do to you and me. Please let me know what web site I can order cigarettes from your company. I smoke Salem Lights and would like to switch to your comparable brand with less “crap” US companys put in US cigarettes. I love doing business with your company. Don’t forget me. Please continue to Email me.

I don’t smoke PM products, I’m a camel smoker, however, PM’s court ruling affects me as well. Frankly, I haven’t looked at the opinion so i won’t comment on that, it is the yessmoke brand that strikes me as the most important part of this situation. As an American smoker i have little control or information as to whats in my cigarettes, and the tobacco industry has fought successfully for years to keep their information secret. Kudos to Yessmoke for taking a stand and telling me exactly what i’m smoking…i look forward to ordering a carton when they become available.

Sorry to hear that. Big Corporations stink!!! I will continue to visit your site using the .ch extension which I have been using for a while now anyway. I will never again buy ANY Philip Morris products. Best of Luck to you.

I hope that Phillip Morris is not able to get any-further with its law suit. I hope I will still be able to buy my husbands cigarettes from you at your great low prices. thanks, from a loyal American custom.

Gentlemen: Good luck on your future litigation and congratulations on maintaining Yesmoke.CH. However, please do not refer to Judge Lynch’s RULING as a SENTENCE. A sentence is only for criminal not civil actions. Simply refer to them as RULINGS. Au Revoir…

thank you. philip moris is pure evil :(

Sorry to here about your loss in court, good luck and keep trying. PM sucks!

Great article about PM have been buying from you for a long time, can hardly wait to try your NEW brand. Hope you make one without a filter also. Keep on fighting those greedy bastards and thats all it is greed.

I support you in your fight against PM USA and will be looking forward to purchasing the Yesmoke brand of cigarettes.

My wife and I have been purchasing cigarettes from Yesmoke for many years and received only the finest service with dispatch. We stand with you Yesmoke…

I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE THAT PM USA HAS TAKEN OVER YESSMOKE.COM. I WAS EVEN MORE SHOCKED TO READ ARTICLES ON THEIR BATTLES AGAINST YOUR COMPANY & THE MONEY THAT THEY SPARED NO EXPENSE TO DESTROY YOUR COMPANY AT WHAT EVER LENGTH IT WOULD TAKE. I DO NOT SUPPORT A COMPANY THAT LARGE THAT USES IT’S POWER TO PREVAIL IN SUCH EVIL IN ORDER TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. I’M BESIDE MYSELF THAT THEY HAVE THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR LAWYER FEES & COURT COST & BEHIND THE SCENE SCHEMES TO DESTROY YOUR COMPANY, WHEN I STRUGGLE TO WORK HARD EVERY DAY JUST TO STAY ABOVE WATER FINANCIALLY, YET THEY WON’T SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY TO DEFEND THE CONSUMER WHO PURCHASE THEIR CIGARETTES AGAINST THE HIGH IMPOSED TAX WE MUST PAY ON EACH PACK OF CIGARETTE. I WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT OR BUY ANYMORE PRODUCTS FROM PM USA DUE TO THE OUTCOME OF THIS ONGOING & DISTURBING STORY & I WILL LET OTHERS KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE ALSO.

I am quite alarmed that the greedy giant Phillip Morris disrupted your service. I have yet to read all the details, but I plan to. I was relieved to find this sight and will tell others that I know who utilize your service that you have a new domain. Godspeed to you.

I’m a smoker in the USA. Prices are way too high! Fuck Philip Morris! More power to you guys! Yeah!

I didn’t see a link to add to customer feedback, so I just wanted to say fight, Phillip Morris is way to expensive at around 5 bucks a pack, so I enjoy your prices, and honesty. I appreciate your store greatly and will continue to buy cigarettes from your site. In fact the decision only makes my commitment to your site that much stronger. Though I am a consumer of RJR products and not PM, I would like to point out that PM is not really the problem here but rather the symptom of a much larger problem. Here in the US we pay the ridiculous amount of money we do not to the tobacco companies but to our own government. The producers (like PM) have to pay for the privilege to advertise against themselves. They also get to pay morons, that suffered the (well known) consequences of smoking by their own choice, huge sums of money. Also states like mine (Florida), after having raked in unfathomable amounts of money from the industry, have enjoyed rewards from what I can only call obscene law suits against companies like PM. Given this I can actually understand the stance of PM. I would suspect that internally they have no desire to pursue this issue as they make money either way(you or some other distributor selling). I think the real motivation (and the real concern for all smokers) is that they need to appear to do their best to head off this loop hole and avoid future lawsuits against them by their own government. I know many Europeans can not begin to believe the way that smokers in the US are treated now and the amount of money that they have to pay in taxes. You would think that our government would appreciate the HUGE source of income derived by us but instead they take the money and treat us like crap and blame us for just about anything they can.

Thank you for continuing the fight with the big cig. companies in the USA. A lot of people support laud your efforts.

I am regretful that Phillip Morris has won this case. Big business SPEAKS LOUD!!! I don’t normally buy foreign over US products …. but with this giant corporation I have no problem. They have lied and lied to thier consumers over many years. I vehemently oppose their action after being one of their supporters for sooooo many years. Only to find they had lied to us consumers over and over again. You will continue to get my support and orders. Good luck with your new business endeavors!

Dear Yesmoke, I’m almost ashamed to say that I’m American after what PM has done to this company. I loathe the huge business machines that destroy anyone in their path. All I can say, is hang in their and be smarter than them! There has to be a way around them! I remain your loyal customer.

You’re a wonderful supplier and I don’t mind at all changing from Marlboro Lights to your own brand of lights. Whatever you will be doing, I am sure it will be better than PM. Thanks.

I’m sorry to hear that you lost the ysemoke.com address, good to hear that they haven’t yet won the battle over the Yesmoke.ch address and we can continue to get great smokes at good prices with awesome service keep up the battle don’t let them win.

Yesmoke fought the good fight. I am proud to purchase my cigarettes from a company that cares about us little people — the consumers. All PM cares about is their bottom line which was made even more evident by their takeover of your site. Please do let me know when your new cigarettes are available. I would gladly change brands to avoid giving any more of my money to PM than I already have. Keep up the good work. I’m behind you guys all the way! I will continue to tell everyone I know about your company and hope you are in business longer than PM could ever hope to be! Best wishes.

UGH they just have to TRY to knock you down and own everything! At least you beat em to it this time by going with the .ch!!! I’ll go there sometime, to the .com, and see what they have done to you there- probably left some nasty p.r. about you, who knows!!! Glad you are still available!

It doesn’t surprise me that PM won. Our court should have never got involved. Thanks for giving a chance to purchase cigarettes at a reasonable price. Looking forward to your new smokes. Thanks again.

Just wanted to say that i am glad i can still buy from your site!. To hell with phillip morris! You have life time buyer here untill I cant do it any more. Thanks and have a nice day.

I am sorry about the Phillip Morris take over and I support you in your fight to remain free of right-wing, false dictators. One would think that a company like Phillip Morris would promote a company like yours. You increase their profits by making cigarettes available. I know when I am waiting for my order to arrive from you I often need to purchase cigarettes locally. You also provide all the necessary information – whether it is good or bad. I can’t stress enough how highly I regard a company like yours and I hope we can keep the American government in their place. Thanks again.

I just thought I would let you know that I was very upset when I got an email saying that yesokes was no more and that it was taken over by PM. I was so pissed that I wrote a letter the PM, although I knew it would not do any good, I still had to voice my opinion. I look forward to trying the new Yesmokes and I like the package design!

I know one thing when you make the Yesmoke cigarettes I will be ordering them and if they force me to not order from you anymore I will stop smoking phillip morris and go to another company. so get your cigarettes out so I could order them….Thanks Guys…

Just wanted to tell you how happy I am that you found a way to stick it to these humps here in the US who get their kicks out of humping us anyway they can. You have a valuable service to those of us who want to smoke and do not want to pay through the nose. It seems that for any service or product that you want today in the US, there are fifteen different people that have their hands in your pockets and we all are dam sick of it. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

My comment: while not a smoker myself, I find what PM is trying to do to your company a travesty. The ‘radio transmitters’ they sent you had to be terrifying, and it is THE most childish act I have ever heard of by a corporate entity. Keep fighting those jackasses, and good luck in your sales! ((my husband is a regular customer and really loves the service))

Please don’t punish American’s for what the jerks at PM did to you. We have to live with that kind of injustice everyday. And no one even tries to correct the rediculous court system we have in the name of “justice”. My husband and I really appreciate being able to get our cigarettes from you all. It isn’t just your great prices either. I have started smoking “Vogue”, and I cannot find them for sale in the States at any price. I love them and can’t imagine not being able to obtain them…

Hello. MY question just one. When you will have some brabo smokès A Comment. Well if P.M took over the domain. don’t worry regarding that. As long as you stay in business is ok. The domain no body care how is call.

If a similar case goes to court in Switzerland I hope your court system and judges are not like our appointed corrupt federal judges who make decisions that do a diservice to our people. I hope your judges are honest and make fair decisions that serve the citizens of your country unlike our court system does. Keep up the fight and I will continue to refer all of my friends and family that smoke to your company.

Yesmoke – I emailed you today about an order I was trying to put through to you.It was a problem I was having with my credit card.Sorry for any confusion. I did get to place my order today. It went through smoothly as it always has!I will always order from you.Yesmoke is doing a GREAT JOB!!! Thank You, P.S. Anyone I have told about you. Is now ordering from you as well. And are happy too! Thanx Again.

KK

When I went to Yesmoke.com…I was very disappointed…..to find nothing but long dissertations from Phllip Morris……They don’t already have enough money…they have to put you out of business…….Thank you for emailing me with your new address…..I will continue to order from you…..and BOOOOOO..on Phillip Morris….shame on them…

I have been ordering Cigarettes off your site for 2yrs and was disappointed when I went to order more and got P/M page. I called the phone number on the page and told them that they have alot of sites to work on to stop internet sales. And that if not Yesmoke that I would find me a site that sold cigarettes cheaper. And that I work to hard to pay U.S.A prices and that not all Americans are stupid and that I tell all my friends about Yesmoke..But now I can give them http://yesmoke.eu instead…Thank you I will keep ordering…

Please tell philip moris to take their greed and go to h— . i thank you for your online store it saves me a lot of money.in the usa a pack of cigarettes are about 5.00 plus a pack that is why they want to stop the sales online. please do not give up fight them. good luck and god bless.

Sorry to hear about your problems with Philip Morris. Obviously it makes no sense that they should be able to interfere with resellers, but things over here have gotten pretty bad. There have been way too many laws passed in recent years that favor large corporations over individuals, which just illustrates how bad things have gotten in regard to our “representatives” no longer representing the people, but representing the money interests.

Please don’t blame us, we didn’t even elect George Bush, he just rigged the election and took office. Unfortunately it doesn’t appear that it will improve any time soon.

Thank you for everything. Me and my friends have been ordering from you guys ofr years now. I personally would be spending approx. $3000 in cigarettes a year but thanks to you guys I only spend about $1000. Thanks fo saving me $2000 a year! By far the best investment choice I have made. Fuck Philip Morris and their corporate fascist ways!

I want to thank you for fighting Phillip Morris. I cannot believe how much more they want for cigarettes here in the United States. Each state also packs on their own taxes on top of that! If Phillip Morris does succeed in stopping you from selling me your cigarettes I will have to switch to another brand you will be able to sell. I know I will NOT pay the prices they want for them here. Thanks again.

Thanks for the email letting me know your address has changed. PM is obviously nervous over their customer dissatisfaction. Keep up your good work; I’ve been more than pleased with Yes Smoke for nearly two years now!

Sorry to hear about your problems with Philip Morris. Obviously it makes no sense that they should be able to interfere with resellers, but things over here have gotten pretty bad. There have been way too many laws passed in recent years that favor large corporations over individuals, which just illustrates how bad things have gotten in regard to our “representatives” no longer representing the people, but representing the money interests. Please don’t blame us, we didn’t even elect George Bush, he just rigged the election and took office. Unfortunately it doesn’t appear that it will improve any time soon.

Thank you for fighting against Philip Morris.

Unfortunately, in the US, David seldom beats Goliath. Best of luck in all future endeavors.

Your product and service far exceeds my expectations. Your faithful customer,

Nicole

Philip Morris is a filthy, political company. So what; they got a few domain names. Doesn’t “Yes Smoke” go against their whole “no, smoking is bad” campaign? Whatever. If you guys stop selling PM cigarettes, no skin off my back. As long as I’m paying a FRACTION of American cigarettes, I’m happy. Keep up the phenomenal work. I love you guys. M’bah,

M. David

GREETINGS FROM THE LAND OF THE OPPRESSED. I WILL CONTINUE TO DO BUISNESS YOUR COMPANY, NO MATTER WHAT NAME IT IS CALLED. THE PM TAKEOVER IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW BIG BUISNESS IN THIS COUNTRY RULES OVER IT’S CITIZENS WITH AN IRON FIST. KEEP FIGHTING!

I am glad you guys are still around I think its very wrong what they are doning to you in fact I sent a letter with 1577 signatures on it to the phillip morris company complaining about what they did it may not mean anything to them but hopefully it will.

I’m very sorry about the recent court decision. I can’t apologize on my country’s behalf, but I personally believe the decision to be entirely unfair, but typical of big business here.

Will you be able to appeal the decision? When will the transfer be effective? Do you know how long I can continue to safely buy cigarettes on your site? Sincerely,

Claire

Hoorah for Yesmoke!

You are to be commended for your willingness to stand your ground against a bully like PM! I will continue purchasing my cigarettes from Yesmoke and can’t wait to try the new Yesmoke brand. Best regards,

Bud

I love your site and have been a customer for a while now.I say screw PM USA and keep up the good work.

Yesmoke.ch still has THIS customer! I’m waiting with shortened breath for your new product that I’m sure will be all over the USA in short order. I believe PM won’t give up when the YESMOKE brand comes out. Keep up the good work and fine customer service and Yesmoke and it’s employees will be successful. Best of luck! Regards,

Jerry

To Whom it may concern, I just wanted to write and tell you how much I support you on this Phillip Morris issue, and that I will continue to be using YOUR WEBSITE Yesmoke.ch to buy my cigs.

I have enclosed a copy of a letter I wrote to Marton Dunai @ dow jones. I hope that my letter will stir up an enormous amount of frustration on their part. You continue to operate your site and as long as you do you will have me for a customer :-)

I apologize for the greed and ignorance on some of the people in my country, but to put it more bluntly and excuse my language, but they can kiss my ass if they think they will tell me where I can and can’t get my cigs from. If I was rich and had the money to help you fight them, it would be yours. Even if it was the last red cent I had, because when it’s a matter of principle it needs to be justified. I just hope that someone can speak your justice for you and that you win this fight. Hope I didn’t offend anyone with a little cursing a bit ago but at least I am protected by one right we have left in this country “The freedom of Speech” at least for now we still have it. Give our Government time though…..lol. Again Good Luck and thank you for your services. Respectfully,

Michael

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